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= Previous Years =
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2009|2009 Meetings]]
 
[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2009|2009 Meetings]]
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2011|2011 Meetings]]
  
==2011 Meetings==
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2012|2012 Meetings]]
 
 
[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_February_2011|February]]
 
 
 
[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_March_2011|March]]
 
 
 
[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_April_2011|April]]
 
 
 
 
 
== May 5, 2011 ==
 
 
 
Citace upload
 
*Using current citace release (WS226) for Progress Report
 
 
 
 
 
Pictures
 
*Daniela did not actually curate ~7000 pictures this month ;)
 
*Script to fetch pictures automatically
 
 
 
 
 
Snehal starts next week
 
*working on phenotype curation
 
**90 genes >= 10 publications
 
**Of these 90, 54 with no annotated phenotype
 
**20,000 genes with RNAi data
 
*Concise Descriptions? May be appropriate
 
**Prioritize by genes that currently have no description but have new papers
 
*Picture curation?
 
*Learning an ontology may be difficult, but she can stick to familiar material
 
 
 
 
 
Aldrin
 
*Karen, Raymond, Chris will talk to Todd
 
*Lineage browser for ontologies?
 
*Cell lineage browser? Capture multi-parentage issues
 
 
 
 
 
Ranjana - Preplanning WormBase side meetings at IWM?
 
 
 
 
 
Periodically sending someone to different sites
 
*E.g. Someone from Caltech goes to Hinxton, etc.
 
 
 
 
 
Practice Talks before International Worm Meeting
 
*on Monday before meeting
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
== May 12, 2011 ==
 
 
 
 
 
Example of Bandana for International Worm Meeting
 
*Looks good!
 
 
 
 
 
GO Consortium meeting next week
 
*Paul, Michael, Ranjana, and Kimberly going
 
*Discussion about tools (Juancarlos?)
 
*Section in meeting agenda to discuss curation
 
**Textpresso-based curation
 
**Ontology Annotator
 
**Demo by Kimberly or Ranjana?
 
**Relatively trivial (depending on situation) to setup new OA for a new site (Juancarlos)
 
**Discuss what's been proposed in the grant
 
**What does the consortium want? Brainstorming/Fantasizing
 
**People are likely partial to their own tools
 
**Make use of the best parts of everyone's tools
 
**Are others using flat/text files or web-based/java-based tools? Mostly web-based
 
**Phenote? Funding? Bio-Portal e-mail?
 
**PAINT tool (Phylogenetic Annotation and INference Tool) (http://wiki.geneontology.org/index.php/PAINT)
 
 
 
 
 
Progress Report
 
*Paul has received some reports, but not all, yet
 
 
 
 
 
Picture curation
 
*Started receiving permission from Elsevier!!
 
*Blanket-permission for 11 journals
 
*Publicly display list of cooperating journals online
 
 
 
 
 
Talks at the Int Worm Meeting
 
*Paul S listed for a Plenary talk during Workshop
 
*Two Wormbase Plenary talks
 
 
 
 
 
Snehal
 
*Concise descriptions
 
*Kimberly helping
 
*Will get into phenotypes soon
 
 
 
 
 
Juancarlos waiting to hear back from some people about OA
 
*People need more time to test
 
*Karen has encountered some issues; needs to reproduce
 
*Ranjana - loads slowly?
 
*Mangolassi issues?
 
 
 
 
 
Genetic Interactions
 
*Group met on Tuesday
 
*Made headway on genetic interaction organization
 
*Add "Additive" type term and "No Apparent Interaction", etc.
 
 
 
 
 
Paper pipeline
 
*Kimberly & Juancarlos working on
 
*Documented on Wiki
 
*CGI's still being used?
 
*Remove outdated or unused CGI's?
 
 
 
 
 
Rewriting script from Jack Chen
 
*Neuron connection search
 
*Inroad to working on more web-interface topics
 
 
 
 
 
Adding interaction datasets into WormMart (Xiaodong and Ruihua)
 
 
 
  
Gene interaction dumping script (Raymond/Todd)
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2013|2013 Meetings]]
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2014|2014 Meetings]]
  
Strain Display
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2015|2015 Meetings]]
*Karen doing queries at CGC
 
*How many genes represented in CGC strain list?
 
*Protein-coding genes with alleles in strains?
 
*12,000 genes that are NOT represented in CGC
 
*Discrepancy wrt alleles; negative in AQL query, but present on site
 
*Strains with LOTS of alleles; how to handle?
 
*Polymorphisms vs. alleles
 
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2016|2016 Meetings]]
  
Aldrin Montana working over the summer
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2017|2017 Meetings]]
*We invited him to visit
 
*We'll come up with projects
 
*Web team fully involved in web site
 
*Help with minor GO issues (Ranjana)
 
**Requires knowledge of Perl
 
**Non-C.elegans species
 
**InterPro-to-GO mapping
 
**Export pipelines for other species?
 
**Maybe small project; requires more communication than coding?
 
*Raymond could help provide projects
 
*Would be nice to use PAINT across the nematodes for annotation
 
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2018|2018 Meetings]]
  
New Web site (Todd)
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2019|2019 Meetings]]
*Web team wrapping up various projects
 
*Polishing user interface
 
*Abby working on user interface
 
*Todd working on production environment
 
*Norie working on code that interfaces with database
 
*Release beta version at International Worm Meeting
 
*Working with Kevin Howe to standardize formats of files used during build
 
*Can now host new data for new species
 
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2020|2020 Meetings]]
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2021|2021 Meetings]]
  
== May 19, 2011 ==
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2022|2022 Meetings]]
  
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[[WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2023|2023 Meetings]]
  
Login System for people to submit and modify (WBPerson) personal information
 
*How to validate that someone registering for the site is the actual person?
 
**Use e-mail address, although some people don't have e-mail addresses; snail mail?
 
  
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==March 14, 2024==
  
Poster Session Help Desk for International Worm Meeting
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=== TAGC debrief ===
*Wen- yes, all set
 
*People will bring their own laptops
 
*Wen will make a Wiki page for people to sign up for sessions
 
  
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==February 22, 2024==
  
Aldrin visiting
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===NER with LLMs===
*June 16th/17th OK for people
 
*We could start making a list of possible topics for Aldrin to work on
 
  
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* Wrote scripts and configured an LLM for Named Entity Recognition. Trained an LLM on gene names and diseases. Works well so far (F1 ~ 98%, Accuracy ~ 99.9%)
  
Clone Model Update
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* Is this similar to the FlyBase system? Recording of presentation  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1S4kZidL7gvBH6SjF4IQujyReVVRf2cOK
*Working with current clone model to test adding plasmid objects
 
**Works OK, but will probably want a couple of new tags
 
**One idea is to have a tag that links nematode-specific sequence in the plasmid to genomic regions and GBrowse viewer
 
*Test plasmid objects and ideas for genome alignment sent to Paul Davis, waiting to hear back
 
  
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* Textpresso server is kaput. Services need to be transferred onto Alliance servers.
  
Inter-Release Patch files?
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* There are features on Textpresso, such as link to PDF, that are desirable to curators but should be blocked from public access.
*Still need to work out, but should wait until the new website has stabilized
 
  
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* Alliance curation status form development needs use cases. ref https://wiki.wormbase.org/index.php/WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls#February_15.2C_2024
  
  
== May 26, 2011 ==
 
  
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==February 15, 2024==
  
Genetic Interactions (Interactions Group)
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=== Literature Migration to the Alliance ABC ===
*Made headway on genetic interactions organization and nomenclature
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==== Use Cases for Searches and Validation in the ABC (or, what are your common actions in the curation status form)? ====
*We have talked about (previously) separating physical, genetic, predicted, and regulatory interactions into different models
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===== Find papers with a high confidence NN classification for a given topic that have also been flagged positive by an author in a community curation pipeline and that haven’t been curated yet for that topic =====
**This will need more time and work
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*Facet for topic
*We can immediately add the new genetic interaction type tags to the interaction model
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*Facet for automatic assertion
*New types include: Enhancement/Suppression, Complex, No Apparent Interaction/Additive, Asynthetic
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**neural network method
*BioGRID will use their own curation strategy and pipeline, but may eventually incorporate our curation approach
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*Facet for confidence level
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**High
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*Facet for manual assertion
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**author assertion
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***ACKnowledge method
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**professional biocurator assertion
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***curation tools method - NULL
  
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===== Manually validate paper - topic flags without curating =====
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*Facet for topic
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*Facet for manual assertion
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**professional biocurator assertion
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***ABC - no data
  
Concise Descriptions (Snehal)
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===== View all topic and entity flags for a given paper and validate, if needed =====
*Avergaing 9 genes/week
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* Search ABC with paper identifier
*Prioritized on new publications
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* Migrate to Topic and Entity Editor
*Also working on FlyBase GSA markup (e.g. false negatives)
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* View all associated data
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* Manually validate flags, if needed
  
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=== PDF Storage ===
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* At the Alliance PDFs will be stored in Amazon s3
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* We are not planning to formally store back-up copies elsewhere
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* Is this okay with everyone?
  
Picture Curation (Daniela)
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==February 8, 2024==
*Have authorization from ~50% of Elsevier journals
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* TAGC
*Still need Developmental Biology access (many C. elegans papers)
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** Prominent announcement on the Alliance home page?
  
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* Fixed login on dockerized system (dev). Can everybody test their forms?
  
Textpresso for Cell Function (Raymond)
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==February 1, 2024==
*Have scheme for decent precision (still accumulating numbers)
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* Paul will ask Natalia to take care of pending reimbursements
*Recall?
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* Dockerized system slow pages (OA and FPKMMine). Will monitor these pages in the future. Will look for timeouts in the nginx logs.
*Review papers are, by default, tagged as primary literature and can affect the numbers
 
*Textpresso needs to add a review tagging step (earlier in the pipeline)
 
*Search done with keywords like "mosaic", anatomy terms, site of action, etc.
 
*Many anatomy terms are not very specific (e.g. E, AB, MS, etc.)
 
*Can give Michael new category list criteria for Textpresso (cleaner than current from postgres table pap_primary_data)
 
**Can have inclusion & exclusion criteria
 
  
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==January 25, 2024==
  
User Interface Query Tool (Raymond)
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=== Curator Info on Curation Forms ===
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* Saving curator info using cookies in dockerized forms. Can we deploy to prod?
  
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=== ACKnowledge Author Request - WBPaper00066091 ===
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* I am more than willing to assist; however, the task exceeds the capabilities of the normal flagging process.
  
Human Disease Curation (Ranjana)
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* The paper conducts an analysis of natural variations within 48 wild isolates. To enhance the reliability of the variant set, I utilized the latest variant calling methods along with a custom filtering approach. The resulting dataset comprises 1,957,683 unique variants identified using Clair3. Additionally, Sniffles2 was used to identify indels of >30 bp, which numbered in the thousands to tens of thousands for most wild isolates. It is worth noting that variants identified with Sniffles2 have less reliable nucleotide positions in the genome.
*C. elegans as a model for human disease
 
*Textpresso script identifies C. elegans papers with relevance to human disease
 
*Where should this information go? Curation status form?
 
*Right now, everything is simply writing to a text file that Arun has setup
 
*Connect Arun's script to Curation Status form?
 
*OMIM tags
 
*Accession/evidence tags?
 
*Apoptosis working group - identify apoptosis genes in various model organisms
 
  
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* I am reaching out to inquire whether WormBase would be interested in incorporating this dataset. An argument in favor is the higher quality of my data. However, I am mindful of the potential substantial effort involved for WormBase, and it is unclear whether this aligns with your priorities.
  
KOG data
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* Should WormBase decide to use my variant data set, I am more than willing to offer my assistance.
*What should we do about it?
 
*EggNOG?
 
*Michael Paulini will change the data model for homology groups
 
*Old data comes from citace; we need to reformat the data if we want to keep
 
*Remove old KOG data entirely and replace with EggNOG data?
 
*Any new data coming from Caltech? No
 
*Transfer data to Hinxton
 
  
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=== Update on NN Classification via the Alliance ===
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* Use of primary/not primary/not designated flag to filter papers
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* Secondary filter on papers with at least C. elegans as species
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* Finalize sources (i.e. evidence) for entity and topic tags on papers
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* Next NN clasification scheduled for ~March
  
Author Flag (First-Pass) Forms
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* We decided to process all papers (even non-elegans species) and have filters on species after processing.
*Who is taking care of/in charge of this (curators)?
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* NNC html pages will show NNC values together with species.
*Do curators look at them? Yes
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* Show all C. elegans papers first and other species in a separate bin.
*Gary prioritizes RNAi papers based on them, Xiaodong uses it, Daniela uses it
 
*Should we remove outdated/unused data types?
 
*We get the author form results before we have the PDF
 
**Check is in place now so author is not e-mailed until we have the PDF
 
**Have authors send us the flags and the PDF?
 
*Karen will coordinate a clean up process
 
*Group needs to participate in evaluating the automation pipeline
 
  
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=== Travel Reimbursements ===
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* Still waiting on October travel reimbursement (Kimberly)
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* Still waiting on September and October travel reimbursements (Wen)
  
SVM performance
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=== UniProt ===
*Retraining SVM
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* Jae found some genes without uniProt IDs, but the genes are there on uniProt but without WBGene IDs.
*SVM performs most poorly on Expression Patterns and Gene Regulation
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* Wen reached to Stavros and Chris to investigate WormBase and AGR angles.
*RNAi SVM performs best
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* Stavros escalates the issue on Hinxton Standup.
*Subtract papers that are already curated from the paper pool
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* Mark checks Build scripts and WS291 results. After that, he contacted UniProt and he's working with them to figure this out.
*Let Ruihua know if there are any thoughts as to how to better train the SVM
 
*First-pass forms identify some papers that are missed by SVM (maybe help?)
 
*BioGRID interest? Can we use SVM on abstract only? Mostly use entire paper; could try abstracts
 
**Hard to get access to full text for all papers
 
**Good to encourage all databases/groups to get access to full text
 
**Abstract SVM depends on what is acceptable Recall/Precision values
 
  
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==January 18, 2024==
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* OA showing different names highlighted when logging in the OA, now fixed on staging
  
GSA for FlyBase (Karen/Snehal)
 
*GSA markup from FlyBase is not as good as it could be
 
*Snehal may focus more on GSA for the time being
 
  
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==January 11, 2024==
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* Duplicate function in OA was not working when using special characters. Valerio debugged and is now fixed.
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** Curators should make sure that, when pasting special characters, the duplicate function works
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* OA showing different names highlighted when logging in the OA, Valerio will debug and check what IP address he sees
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** If you want to bookmark an OA url for your datatype and user, log on once, and bookmark that page (separately for prod and dev)
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* Chris tested on staging and production the phenotype form and the data are still going to tazendra
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** Chris will check with Paulo. Once it is resolved we need to take everything that is on tazendra and put it on the cloud with different PGIDs
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** Raymond: simply set up forwarding at our end?
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* AI working group: Valerio is setting up a new account for open AI -paid membership for ChatGPT4. We can also use Microsoft Edge copilot (temporary?)
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* Chris getting ready to deploy a 7.0.0. public release - February 7th. Carol wanted to push out monthly releases. This will include WS291. For subsequent releases the next several releases will be WS 291 until WS292 is available.
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* Valerio would like to use an alliancegenome.org email address for the openAI account
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* New alliance drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0AFkMHZOEQxolUk9PVA
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** note: please move shared files that you own to new Alliance Google Drive.  Here is the link to the information that Chris Mungall sent:  For more instructions see the video and SOP here:https://agr-jira.atlassian.net/browse/SCRUM-925?focusedCommentId=40674
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* Alliance logo and 50 word description for TAGC> Wen will talk to the outreach WG
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* Name server. Manuel working on this, Daniela and Karen will reach out to him and let him know that down the road micropublication would like to use the name server API to generate IDs in bulk
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* Karen asking about some erroneous IDs used in the name server. Stavros says that this is not a big deal because the "reason" is not populating the name server
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* It would be good to be able to have a form to capture additional fields for strains and alleles (see meeting minutes August 31st 2023. https://wiki.wormbase.org/index.php/WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2023#August_31st.2C_2023). This may happen after Manuel is done with the authentication.
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* Michael: primary flag with Alliance. Kimberly talked about this with the blue team. They will start bringing that over all papers and fix the remaining 271 items later.
  
International Worm Meeting WormBase Bandanas
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==January 4, 2024==
*Which to choose?
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* ACKnowlegde pipeline help desk question:
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** Help Desk: Question about Author Curation to Knowledgebase (Zeng Wanxin) [Thu 12/14/2023 5:48 AM]
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* Citace upload, current deadline: Tuesday January 9th
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** All processes (dumps, etc.) will happen on the cloud machine
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** Curators need to deposit their files in the appropriate locations for Wen
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* Micropublication pipeline
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** Ticketing system confusion
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** Karen and Kimberly paper ID pipeline; may need sorting out of logistics

Revision as of 18:18, 14 March 2024

Previous Years

2009 Meetings

2011 Meetings

2012 Meetings

2013 Meetings

2014 Meetings

2015 Meetings

2016 Meetings

2017 Meetings

2018 Meetings

2019 Meetings

2020 Meetings

2021 Meetings

2022 Meetings

2023 Meetings


March 14, 2024

TAGC debrief

February 22, 2024

NER with LLMs

  • Wrote scripts and configured an LLM for Named Entity Recognition. Trained an LLM on gene names and diseases. Works well so far (F1 ~ 98%, Accuracy ~ 99.9%)
  • Textpresso server is kaput. Services need to be transferred onto Alliance servers.
  • There are features on Textpresso, such as link to PDF, that are desirable to curators but should be blocked from public access.


February 15, 2024

Literature Migration to the Alliance ABC

Use Cases for Searches and Validation in the ABC (or, what are your common actions in the curation status form)?

Find papers with a high confidence NN classification for a given topic that have also been flagged positive by an author in a community curation pipeline and that haven’t been curated yet for that topic
  • Facet for topic
  • Facet for automatic assertion
    • neural network method
  • Facet for confidence level
    • High
  • Facet for manual assertion
    • author assertion
      • ACKnowledge method
    • professional biocurator assertion
      • curation tools method - NULL
Manually validate paper - topic flags without curating
  • Facet for topic
  • Facet for manual assertion
    • professional biocurator assertion
      • ABC - no data
View all topic and entity flags for a given paper and validate, if needed
  • Search ABC with paper identifier
  • Migrate to Topic and Entity Editor
  • View all associated data
  • Manually validate flags, if needed

PDF Storage

  • At the Alliance PDFs will be stored in Amazon s3
  • We are not planning to formally store back-up copies elsewhere
  • Is this okay with everyone?

February 8, 2024

  • TAGC
    • Prominent announcement on the Alliance home page?
  • Fixed login on dockerized system (dev). Can everybody test their forms?

February 1, 2024

  • Paul will ask Natalia to take care of pending reimbursements
  • Dockerized system slow pages (OA and FPKMMine). Will monitor these pages in the future. Will look for timeouts in the nginx logs.

January 25, 2024

Curator Info on Curation Forms

  • Saving curator info using cookies in dockerized forms. Can we deploy to prod?

ACKnowledge Author Request - WBPaper00066091

  • I am more than willing to assist; however, the task exceeds the capabilities of the normal flagging process.
  • The paper conducts an analysis of natural variations within 48 wild isolates. To enhance the reliability of the variant set, I utilized the latest variant calling methods along with a custom filtering approach. The resulting dataset comprises 1,957,683 unique variants identified using Clair3. Additionally, Sniffles2 was used to identify indels of >30 bp, which numbered in the thousands to tens of thousands for most wild isolates. It is worth noting that variants identified with Sniffles2 have less reliable nucleotide positions in the genome.
  • I am reaching out to inquire whether WormBase would be interested in incorporating this dataset. An argument in favor is the higher quality of my data. However, I am mindful of the potential substantial effort involved for WormBase, and it is unclear whether this aligns with your priorities.
  • Should WormBase decide to use my variant data set, I am more than willing to offer my assistance.

Update on NN Classification via the Alliance

  • Use of primary/not primary/not designated flag to filter papers
  • Secondary filter on papers with at least C. elegans as species
  • Finalize sources (i.e. evidence) for entity and topic tags on papers
  • Next NN clasification scheduled for ~March
  • We decided to process all papers (even non-elegans species) and have filters on species after processing.
  • NNC html pages will show NNC values together with species.
  • Show all C. elegans papers first and other species in a separate bin.

Travel Reimbursements

  • Still waiting on October travel reimbursement (Kimberly)
  • Still waiting on September and October travel reimbursements (Wen)

UniProt

  • Jae found some genes without uniProt IDs, but the genes are there on uniProt but without WBGene IDs.
  • Wen reached to Stavros and Chris to investigate WormBase and AGR angles.
  • Stavros escalates the issue on Hinxton Standup.
  • Mark checks Build scripts and WS291 results. After that, he contacted UniProt and he's working with them to figure this out.

January 18, 2024

  • OA showing different names highlighted when logging in the OA, now fixed on staging


January 11, 2024

  • Duplicate function in OA was not working when using special characters. Valerio debugged and is now fixed.
    • Curators should make sure that, when pasting special characters, the duplicate function works
  • OA showing different names highlighted when logging in the OA, Valerio will debug and check what IP address he sees
    • If you want to bookmark an OA url for your datatype and user, log on once, and bookmark that page (separately for prod and dev)
  • Chris tested on staging and production the phenotype form and the data are still going to tazendra
    • Chris will check with Paulo. Once it is resolved we need to take everything that is on tazendra and put it on the cloud with different PGIDs
    • Raymond: simply set up forwarding at our end?
  • AI working group: Valerio is setting up a new account for open AI -paid membership for ChatGPT4. We can also use Microsoft Edge copilot (temporary?)
  • Chris getting ready to deploy a 7.0.0. public release - February 7th. Carol wanted to push out monthly releases. This will include WS291. For subsequent releases the next several releases will be WS 291 until WS292 is available.
  • Valerio would like to use an alliancegenome.org email address for the openAI account
  • New alliance drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0AFkMHZOEQxolUk9PVA
  • Alliance logo and 50 word description for TAGC> Wen will talk to the outreach WG
  • Name server. Manuel working on this, Daniela and Karen will reach out to him and let him know that down the road micropublication would like to use the name server API to generate IDs in bulk
  • Karen asking about some erroneous IDs used in the name server. Stavros says that this is not a big deal because the "reason" is not populating the name server
  • It would be good to be able to have a form to capture additional fields for strains and alleles (see meeting minutes August 31st 2023. https://wiki.wormbase.org/index.php/WormBase-Caltech_Weekly_Calls_2023#August_31st.2C_2023). This may happen after Manuel is done with the authentication.
  • Michael: primary flag with Alliance. Kimberly talked about this with the blue team. They will start bringing that over all papers and fix the remaining 271 items later.

January 4, 2024

  • ACKnowlegde pipeline help desk question:
    • Help Desk: Question about Author Curation to Knowledgebase (Zeng Wanxin) [Thu 12/14/2023 5:48 AM]
  • Citace upload, current deadline: Tuesday January 9th
    • All processes (dumps, etc.) will happen on the cloud machine
    • Curators need to deposit their files in the appropriate locations for Wen
  • Micropublication pipeline
    • Ticketing system confusion
    • Karen and Kimberly paper ID pipeline; may need sorting out of logistics